In this audio recording from the early 90s, Ali al-Timimi responds to a question in which the questioner tries to imply the kufr of the Saudi Government on account of the presence of usurious banks in Makkah and Madinah and what the questioner says is a "capitalist system", and the questioner cites Ibn Katheer as part of his insinuation of kufr in the question.

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In this audio, he answers the question with the following points:

• That if a people acknowledge that they have to abide by the Sharee'ah but fall into disobedience, then it would not take them outside the fold of Islaam, just like major sins do not expel a Muslim from Islaam.

• That Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country and the Scholars know best their country and that all the Scholars say it is an Islamic country, even if there are some un-Islamic affairs found therein, and that its rulers are not apostates.

• That scholars from outside of the country, such as Shaykh al-Albani and Pakistan, India, Morocco and Egypt and other places also say that it is a Muslim country

• He mentions by passing that those who oppose what is said above are the youth who are upon a deviant philosophy of Jihaad and he is referring here to the Leninist Jihaad that emerged in 1965, and which he explains in some detail (to follow shortly inshaa'Allaah).

It should be pointed out that the aim of the Kharijites is to make Takfir of the situation predominant in most Muslim lands today of the presence of Secular Laws to varying degrees. To this end, they rally around the scenario that some scholars speak of when a Muslim ruler systematically abolishes the Sharee'ah in its entirety and puts another law in its place. As this is considered major kufr by the Scholars, these Kharijites - who are remnants of the destructive movements set in motion by Qutb's Leninist teachings in the mid 1960s - found this as an avenue to justify their Takfir (and thus Leninist-type revolution), deceiving the people into thinking that all the rulers present today, ruling over the Muslim lands have themselves abolished the Sharee'ah. None of the Scholars agree with them upon this falsehood. Even Shaykh Ibn Jibreen who went out of his way to defend Hassan al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb - and who was refuted with a powerful refutation by Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee for doing that (see here) - even in his words is a refutation and destruction of the manhaj of these people (see the article here), he was not with those extremists.

The truth walhamdulillaah is becoming more and more manifest and the noose is being put around these Qutbis and Takfiris and their deviant doctrines and methodologies, as historical facts and realities are brought together. Our genuine sincere advice to these people, whom we still consider brothers in Islaam, is that they stop living the lie. Qutbiyyah is no longer sustainable. You can't defend it any longer with those old shubuhaat. It's best to just come out clean and to remain in honour. Stop all the childish activities, and the display of those base, vile, lowly characteristics in trying to fight and belittle the truth and you might survive with a bit of dignity and honour.